tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post1547140057269078170..comments2023-10-17T07:13:00.480-07:00Comments on My Tea Party Chronicle: COMPARE THE LEVIATHAN OBAMACARE TO THE FAIR TAX AND WHAT DO YOU GET?Cheryl Passhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01894307477506374497noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-83957224440191602832013-11-18T08:15:10.381-08:002013-11-18T08:15:10.381-08:00Cheryl,
Good for you.
I wish there were more peo...Cheryl,<br /><br />Good for you.<br /><br />I wish there were more people with common sense who can easily see that the Ft-merchants are selling snake-oil, when they offer only superficial FT propaganda, superficial arguments that do not go to the heart of what the FT really does, make grand economic claims that cannot be predicted and then go on to denigrate and insult their opposition.<br /><br />I often find that it is THEY who do not understand the FT. In their ignorance which knows only FT talking points they rarely understand and real world depth about how the FT will really play out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06721424384514952895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-52468578774606768092013-11-17T08:15:52.162-08:002013-11-17T08:15:52.162-08:00Just one quick follow up note here. There were a ...Just one quick follow up note here. There were a few other comments that I refuse to publish because they are so disrespectful and derogatory that I will not give those comments room on my blog to say such things. <br /><br />I've argued against the Fair Tax before and also in this post, and each time the responses from Fair Tax proponents have been full of mockery, venom, and hate. I wish each of them would take a breath and stop to think for a minute about what on earth would turn them into such Alinskyite disciples. There is something seriously wrong there.<br /><br />Most of them assert that I am too stupid or ignorant to grasp the math involved and / or that I should spend time with them so they can convince me. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, have had a real estate license and owned a wholesale business in my career life, raised intelligent successful children and am smart enough to see a scam when it is shown to me. There is principle behind this math and they can throw numbers around and theorize about the results of it to try to support the Fair Tax, but that doesn't mean the principle of it is either constitutionally supported or viable in practicality. <br /><br />I don't like being attacked any more than the next guy, but I can take it if I stand on principle ...and if I learn I am wrong, I always admit it. But I don't think I am wrong about this. Further, the tactics of the Fair Tax proponents tell me I am not wrong. <br /><br />So...if you are wondering what happened to your comments, wonder no more. I refused to publish them. Cheryl Passhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894307477506374497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-73000504964467697262013-11-15T12:55:58.279-08:002013-11-15T12:55:58.279-08:00Very good, Jim! You have the right idea exactly. ...Very good, Jim! You have the right idea exactly. I like it! At this point though, they can't even stick within the revenues they are taking in...as Bunker just said, the government took in a record amount of tax revenue. But still they spend over that by a trillion dollars every year now? Holy smokes! <br /><br />You guys ought to see the daggers that have been thrown at me over the Fair Tax. I honestly wonder what the brainwashing is that causes some people to go so crazy. You dare not criticize it or you will be ripped to smithereens, called stupid, called every other name in the book! I find that very strange. Disturbing at least.<br />I hope you are doing well and O.K. Still reading stories here about V and wild things going on there. Take care!!Cheryl Passhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894307477506374497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-49071454158908630632013-11-15T12:48:22.138-08:002013-11-15T12:48:22.138-08:00Yes, Bunker...all of the above! Not to mention th...Yes, Bunker...all of the above! Not to mention the insidious Federal spending on Common Core, too. I'm all for starving the beast. There has to be a way. And forcing them somehow to stop spending money they don't have in the first place....geez! <br /><br />Cheryl Passhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894307477506374497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-81109737496955153032013-11-15T05:24:45.159-08:002013-11-15T05:24:45.159-08:00Great post and comments. For starters we could get...Great post and comments. For starters we could get rid of the tens of thousands of pages of the tax code and see where we are. I just read that the government took in a record amount of tax revenue. We have a spending problem That is the start of the solution. As an aside, Whatever it takes we must stop the massive amounts of school tax via real estate taxes that are forcing people out of their homes.Bunkervillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427978686579892380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-4974213260804041652013-11-14T13:55:08.555-08:002013-11-14T13:55:08.555-08:00Good luck on finding a good Senate candidate, Cher...Good luck on finding a good Senate candidate, Cheryl. We could use some more Ted Cruz types in Washington.<br /><br />Sometimes I think the Founders errored in abandonig the Articles of Confederation. If they could have fixed the AoC, then the majority of the power would definitely remained with the states. Each state would have decided how they pick their Congressmen and Senators, Once Congress and the President agreed on a budget the cost would have been prorated to each state (based on population, I presume) and each state would have to decide how to tax their citizens. Then people could vote with their feet if they didn't like the way their state handled taxes. But, that didn't happen and I do not see how this Leviathan can ever be undone by our current political system. I hope I'm wrong.Jim at Asylum Watchhttp://conservativesonfire.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-80383427012415363872013-11-13T15:17:30.566-08:002013-11-13T15:17:30.566-08:00Thank you both so very much for your input here. ...Thank you both so very much for your input here. I needed that! I posted this on facebook and was slapped back quickly by one of the supporters of the Fair Tax...so your support and extra information really means a lot to me! I don't know why those who have grabbed onto this scheme can't see it for what it is...but we'll keep trying to open eyes! Thanks!!!Cheryl Passhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894307477506374497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-59894057742227542892013-11-13T12:31:28.655-08:002013-11-13T12:31:28.655-08:00The “Fair Tax” is a Fraud – we need a 10% “Tithe”!...The “Fair Tax” is a Fraud – we need a 10% “Tithe”!<br /><br />I am a retired tax lawyer (JD, LLM in Taxation)/CPA, with no financial stake in ANY tax system. For supporting details for all of my comments, call Stephen C. Eldridge tel. 423-532-7337.<br /><br />The so-called “Fair Tax” (“FT”) is a fraud – it is MORE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION, AND a financial SCAM. <br /><br />In their own words, FT proudly advertises that it is MORE PROGRESSIVE (INCREASES WELFARE). The Prebate is advertised as merely repaying the poor for any FT they pay, but actually would pay them far more than any FT they might pay and also gives the working poor free SS/Medi. The Prebate is NOT a refund of FT paid, it is a new $600B ENTITLEMENT, leaving many Americans receiving a monthly check from the federal govt – a very bad idea for those of us who are not Socialists. More poor people will be receiving free SS/Medi.<br /><br />The FT hits us with a 40-70% in-your-face retail sales tax that would spark a taxpayer rebellion that would destroy our 70% retail-sales-sensitive economy. 40% = 30% FT + e.g., 10% State sale sales tax and 70% is the rate needed at a sample 30% FT evasion rate (the FT incredibly assumes ZERO evasion and ZERO intentional reduction in spending and ZERO migration from new to used goods). <br />IN ADDITION to that 40-70% tax, the FT contains several HIDDEN TAXES. 1) FT’s 30% rate is really 42+%; the 12+% is hidden by having fed + S/L govts paying FT – they must get that money from you. 2) The initial 30% rate is 1-5% short and that plus any other revenue shortfall will have to be made up by raising more FT (or a NEW Income Tax), 3) The fed budget will rise for a) SS benefits because the FT-guaranteed SS COLA of almost 30%, b) fraudulent new SS benefits, c) COLA’s payable to all federal retirees – and more FT (or a NEW Income Tax) we be required to fund these.<br /><br />The NEW IRS (i.e., the STAA) may well be far worse, far more invasive than today’s IRS b(the buyer is liable to pay FT and get/show a receipt) – we may well have to file an “Annual FT Summary”.<br /><br />We may well wind up with BOTH a NEW Income Tax AND the FT. <br /><br />Seniors will start to pay for SS/Medi again and will pay a 2nd-3rd tax on their earnings. Middle class seniors will pay more tax under FT and will lose purchasing power because of the 15-30% price increase.<br /><br />What we need is a Flat Income Tax with No Deductions, No Exemptions, No Credits and a 10% rate, with business income taxed to shareholders on a very simple basis (i.e., no corporate income tax) – See H.R. 1040, but with changes as noted here. Call your representatives in Congress and let them know that this is what you want.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06721424384514952895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6215147935611201277.post-2375322938797909052013-11-13T12:04:53.653-08:002013-11-13T12:04:53.653-08:00I was fooled by Fairtax -- sounds great. We need ...I was fooled by Fairtax -- sounds great. We need a new tax code. But Fairtax is a clever sounding hustle, I fell for it too. Now I offer 50K to prove there is no research as they claim.<br /><br />Specifically, they claim 22 million dollars of research, about a "very very simple" personal consumption tax, to replace essentially all other fed taxes.<br /><br />. Who would lie about that? You can just talk to the researchers, right? See the research. <br /><br />Who would lie? You tell me. . I offer 50K if anyone -- including Ms Pass -- if they can show one page, just one page, of that research. SHould be easy right? Y ou have 22 million dollars of research, you can show 1 page right?<br /><br />The offer is this: I will give 50,000 dollars cash to anyone who can show 1 page of the 22 million dollars of research about their simple personal retail consumption tax to replace all other fed taxes. You don't have to show Fairtax would work, just that factually, Fairtax has 22 million dollars of research into this personal retail consumption tax of 23% that would replace all other fed taxes.<br /><br />The trick is, Fairtax not only has no research. They have a public relations firm posing as research -- but more, the documents issued by the public relations firm show massive impossible other taxes, as you will see. Plus, those documents actually disprove the hustle -- Fairtax has massive tax increases at state city and local level, written into their "assumptions". Therefore, the retail sales tax does not replace all other taxes, because they "assume" massive increases in city county and state taxes!<br /><br />In the slick fine print by their public relations partners (Beacon Hill) there are massive OTHER taxes on top of, in addition to, and paid separately from the retail personal tax. Yes, there is a personal retail sales tax-- for a SMALL PART of Fairtax. The largest taxes in Fairtax are in the clever fine print -- the massive advance taxes on city county and states for capital investments, and wages and pension expenditures.<br /><br />We do need a new tax code, we do NOT need folks fooling people with hustles. I put up 50K -- you can be sure the hustler won't offer 50K if anyone can prove their deal is BS, because I'd have them in court. Whoever did this, though, was and is wealthy, it's not cheap to hire Boortz, its not cheap to have jets and tour buses and publish the books and have all kinds of web sites created and paid for.<br /><br />New York City, for example, would owe over 500 million dollars, just in wage, pension and operational expenditure taxes! <br /><br />Furthermore the clever language in Beacon Hill documents say, admit, they "assume" all city county and states will "take necessary steps to raise their tax rates" to pay these!<br /><br />SO there are massive -- truly massive -- other taxes that their OWN fine print says will need all city county and state taxes to go up -- way way way up. Sounds great, cause all hustles sound great. We need a new tax code -- watch out for hustlers with fine print tricks<br />Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10206503506011763393noreply@blogger.com