Tuesday, November 20, 2012


There is a lot of talk right now about the Republican Party being fractured.  From what I see around me this is very true.  The fracture I see is between three factions;  progressives (RINO's), Christian conservatives, and libertarians.  Let me see if I can wade through the mess.

Social liberalism, aka libertarianism, is a strange animal.  I have some libertarian friends who I really like.  That makes it harder to argue against their philosophies.  But like them as I do, I find them just as frustrating as the extreme leftists.  To me, both leftists (Progressives) and libertarians lead to the same place, fiscal and moral destitution. 

Both the Christian conservatives and the libertarians are fed up to their eyeballs with the RINO's.  Totally fed up.  And no wonder.  RINO's are the fascist branch of governing.  They want to marry up with global corporations and bend the laws to benefit their crony financial supporters. They sell our souls for money.

Both the RINO's and the libertarians are fed up with the Christian conservatives because the RINO's and libertarians think Christian morals are just passé, dumb, unachievable, and a waste of time.  This leaves the Christian conservatives stuck pretty much alone with no where to turn for support.  The RINO's and the libertarians would throw the Christian conservatives out with the snap of fingers.  While the Christian conservatives are trying to figure out some way of bringing the strays back to the fold....evangelizing the Constitution as the basis for freedom under God.

Is there any hope of bringing these three factions together? 

First of all, the Republican Party doesn't survive without the donors.  Christian conservatives are not Daddy Warbucks.  Neither are libertarians rolling in dough.  So the RINO's have the money.  But the Christian conservatives and libertarians can't stomach the sell out of principles for money.  It's a matter of integrity.  

Secondly, the Republican Party does not survive without a base constituency.  The argument lies here; who is the base?  If the money for fascist cronyism turns off the other 2/3's of the base, the Republican Party just shot itself in the foot and goes quietly into the annals of history as a failure.  If 2/3's of the base is made up of Christian conservatives and libertarians, where do those people go?  

I'm going to divide this up into 3 parts: Social, Economic, and Defense (Military). 
On the social aspect, Christian conservatives are never going to swallow gay marriage.  It isn't going to happen.  Libertarians are on the opposite side of this fence, promoting gay marriage as a "choice."  Libertarians want government to legalize (support) drugs and prostitution.  I can't see Christian conservatives getting on board with those two things either. 

Christian conservatives are anti-abortion, but for the most part, want government to get out of it all together.  I doubt there will ever be a reversal of the amendment on this.  However, using Christians tax dollars for abortion is not ever going to fly with them.  Same with drugs and prostitution.  Gay marriage is different from these, however, due to the impact on children.  Family law for Christian conservatives involves protecting the Christian traditional structure of marriage and children.  There is no compromise on this.

On the economic aspect, moral depravity and weakness always ends up with social spending.  I don't know how else to say that.  Libertarians put government spending and regulations in charge of drugs, prostitution, abortion, and the ramifications of gay marriage.  Christian conservatives are not going to support that position.  Christian conservatives believe in individual responsibility, but do not believe government should support depravity. 

Christian conservatives are supporters of a strong military and defense.  Libertarians are military isolationists.  Their idea of a military defense would stop at our borders.  I understand that, but given the geo-political situation we are in, I'm not sure that is possible.  Especially due to the Ron Paul influence of standing down in the face of Islamic terrorism and blaming America for that.  (Please don't argue this with me in comments or messages.....I'm not in the mood and I frankly don't think we can go back over decades of huge mistakes by our government in this matter.  I am not going to waste my time defending those mistakes.  I'm just saying the reality of the situation does not permit isolationism at this point.)

Meanwhile, back at the RINO Ranch, the RINO's don't care about any of that as long as they keep the gravy train of corporate money coming in.  

Here is the conundrum.  All three of these factions are up against a Democrat Party who is taking over all of it, Social, Economics, and Military...and going in a direction that will destroy the entire nation under Socialist / Fascist rule.  As a Christian conservative, I don't see where the Republican Party can find a base with these three factions, as much as I would like to see the Republican Party strengthen to fight off the Socialist Marxist Fascist Democrats.

I don't see room for Christian conservatives within a Republican Party that is part RINO, part libertarian.  I don't see room for libertarians within a Republican Party that is part RINO and Christian conservative.  And I don't see the Republican Party surviving as just the RINO Party.
 Let me say that I think we need the Republican Party.  We need the Republican Party to provide the opposite of what the Democrat Party is doing.  A third party is not likely to succeed, but will simply continue act as a spoiler to future elections. 

Three factions within the Republican Party do not appear to have enough common ground to pull it all back together.  I am very much for creating some kind of platform on which that these factions can agree.  At the moment, I can't find it.  If you can find that actual platform of common ground...I'd like to see it.  Can Humpty Dumpty be put back together again?


  1. "...I think we need the Republican Party. We need the Republican Party to provide the opposite of what the Democrat Party "

    That is our conundrum, isn't it? A third is going to work and the Republican has never represented the conservative view except somewhat during the Reagan era. I was so excited by the Tea party rebellion and their success in the 2010 mid-terms that I thought it would carry over in to 2012. it didn't.

    Of your three groupings, I would be 85% with the Christian conservatives and 15% with the libertarians. Believe it or not, about two years ago I wrote a post where I made the case that legalizing drugs was the only moral thing to do. By moral I mean Christian. To my surpise I made a couple of converts. No, I have never or do I have any interests in using drugs myself.

    My first blush reaction to what you have written is that the Christan conservatives need to ignore the other groups for now and concentrate on winning converts over the long haul. They must in the states where it would be possible, dominate the Republican party and elect their candidates to local and state offices. This will win them credibility. I don't know if that is possible in your state. If in the next two or three elections cycles, we can't dominate the GOP in at least some Red States then we are probably going no where. In general I do believe we conservatives have to reevaluate our strteies and tactic and take a longer term view. For now the progressives aree going to have their way. Eventually this bankster driven fiat monetary sytem the world has become addicted to will have to fail. If we have succeeded in geting our warnings and message heard between now and then, maybe the disengaged will remember that those conservatives Republicans were right. They warned us this would happen and just maybe they will decide to give us a chance.

    That's what I'm thinking dear friend. Stay well. When you look at your grandchilder you will know why we keep fighting against all odds.

  2. Well...The Tea Party may have worked better than we think in 2012 actually. I say that because I truly believe the election was stolen by fraud in many places. Even so, the Tea Party did get fewer votes due to Libertarians bowing out and voting for Johnson or none of the above. Plus...there was not the enthusiasm for Romney because of his moderate / left history and distrust of him. He spent too much time playing defense and selling himself rather than selling the conservative principles we need. So....alas....there it went...down the tubes.

    I'm with you about going ahead with the Christian conservatives pounding home the fiscal and constitutional principles with a message that will win converts. On that score we are up against a media that has declared the Tea Party either dead or radical extremist whackos. All that tells me is we are more powerful and they are trying the Alinsky nonsense to try to defang the Tea Party. I don't think that is going to work. Least I hope not. I frankly don't care what the left wing media says anymore at all. Am hoping most of the rest of America realizes what liars they are.

    The one thing Romney was right about, Jim, is the 47%. The takers, the indoctrinated youth, and the leftists are not likely to "give us a chance." They are too far gone. It's the so-called independents...who are fence sitters who may wake up. We'll see if that happens. Meanwhile..I'm working on it.

    Totally with you on the Red States and the GOP...that is the direction we are needing to go.

    Not giving up here...not yet. I hope all is well with you and yours!!