Showing posts with label Carbon Credit Scam. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Carbon Credit Scam. Show all posts

Friday, June 8, 2012

CARBON NUTS - TULIP MANIA - MONEY FOR NOTHING

My mother, who had good points and bad, was very good at throwing out adages at appropriate times when I was a child.  She sort of left me to figure them out on my own.  I'd ask myself, "What do you suppose she meant by that?"  One of the things she often said was, "There is nothing new under the Sun."  God bless her soul and hopefully she is resting in peace. She was an impatient mother.  She  had an air of authority that said, "Don't question me, I know what I'm talking about."  Later, I would go on about my life when those adages would pop back into my mind and I would then say to myself, "Oh, that's what she meant by that."  Today is one of those days.  I was reminded of this by someone who made a comment at WattsUpWithThat.  The article was regarding the carbon credit market crashing and the comment was regarding something called Tulip Mania.  Up popped my mother again, "There is nothing new under the Sun."

According to the Wikipedia encyclopedia, Tulip Mania is a marketing craze over tulips that took place in the 1600's.  Part of the description of Tulip Mania says this:  "The term "tulip mania" is now often used metaphorically to refer to any large economic bubble (when asset prices deviate from intrinsic values." 

That pretty much describes a craze of no substance, which is what carbon trading is; no substance.  Which took me back to Enron.  Isn't carbon trading fraud what the Enron debacle was about?  Power and Control Blog


How about a carbon dioxide cap-and-trade program? The problem was that CO2 is not a pollutant, and therefore the EPA had no authority to cap its emission. Al Gore took office in 1993 and almost immediately became infatuated with the idea of an international environmental regulatory regime. He led a U.S. initiative to review new projects around the world and issue ‘credits’ of so many tons of annual CO2 emission reduction. Under law a tradeable system was required, which was exactly what Enron also wanted because they were already trading pollutant credits.

Thence Enron vigorously lobbied Clinton and Congress, seeking EPA regulatory authority over CO2. From 1994 to 1996, the Enron Foundation contributed nearly $1 million dollars - $990,000 - to the Nature Conservancy, whose Climate Change Project promotes global warming theories. Enron philanthropists lavished almost $1.5 million on environmental groups that support international energy controls to “reduce” global warming. Executives at Enron worked closely with the Clinton administration to help create a scaremongering climate science environment because the company believed the treaty could provide it with a monstrous financial windfall. The plan was that once the problem was in place the solution would be trotted out.

But I digress.

The reason I am writing about this now (and again) is because it is all tied into the fraud the environmentalists, energy companies, and government are perpetrating on the public in the form of forced carbon reduction through taxing, tax incentives, and Smart Meters.  

As I go about educating myself and hopefully my readers on these subjects, I can tend to get sidetracked a bit when I come across some tangential information.  That happened today when I came across a great site with a timeline history of money.  As I read through it, I was instantly fascinated by the creation of money out of thin air.  Which is what carbon credits are exactly; creating money out of thin air.  It was interesting to find that "money changers" established the first central bank in the Netherlands in 1609, which is just before the timeline on Tulip Mania.

This post may seem like a stream of consciousness, moving back and forth from my mother to carbon trading schemes, to Tulip Mania, to "the money changers."    That is where my mind went today.  Connecting the dots throughout.  History is a great teacher.   

Our legislators and elected officials, (read from Presidents on down through the entire chain of government) have been corrupt and derelict in their duties to protect the public from such frauds.  Worse than complicit, they are perpetrating the frauds.  The American public (That means you and I) are going to have to wake up and clean house.   I'm sick of this.  You are, too.  Just remember, we aren't the first generation to be scammed and ruined by "money changers."  We are just the latest.  It could be the end of America this time.  In the past, countries have been ruined.  The difference today is we have communication tools that allow the public to seek and find the truth.  

Side Notes:
Please go to the sites on my side bar for the best information on Climate Change truth.  Climate Depot, WattsUpWithThat, Al Fin, and several others are diligently getting the truth out there for you.  Every time you see another policy being set in place that relates to Climate Change (Smart Meters would be one, anything "green" would qualify) or redistribution of wealth based on "regional" land use, PLEASE go after your local, state, and national representatives.  Tell them NO.  Not just NO, but HELL NO.

 

Thursday, August 4, 2011

ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER? CO2 IS YOUR FRIEND - PART IV


"Bing Cherries"
Painting by Cheryl A. Pass

Why is our government spending money on studies of carbon emissions? Carbon, Oh Carbon, Where art thou? Carbon, oh elixir of life, do not foresake us now!

A week or so ago I wrote an article on the study of bovine emissions, paid for by our generous tax dollars, with the goal of making us feel very guilty for producing meat and dairy sources. Poor Elsie...she just can't get a break. And Elmer, he just keeps chewing his cud, dreaming of green pastures.

Today, At Anthony Watts page, I found yet another government study on carbon emissions, this time targeting the evils of fruits, vegetables, and grains. It just doesn't stop. Seems we are paying the DOE to find out how much the production of fruits and vegetables results in carbon emissions across these United States.

As Anthony describes the study:
"From DOE/Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, probably the biggest load of crap I’ve seen in quite some time. I realize that’s harsh, and I don’t think I’ve ever used that sentence to describe a scientific study, but there’s really no other way to say it when we have massive imports of fruits and vegetables from other countries, and they are worried about carbon in crops crossing state lines and regions in the USA. But the sad part is, this sort of “science” is so bloody obvious a fifth grader could tell you that “Their calculations showed that the most agriculturally active regions, shown in blue, are carbon sinks while the regions with larger populations, shown in red, are carbon sources.” (Go to Anthony's page to see the chart.)

Nevertheless, a cited newspaper article at Anthony's website states thus: "Carbon is the basis of life on Earth, including plants. During photosynthesis, plants take in carbon dioxide and convert it into carbon-based sugars needed to grow and live. When a plant dies, it decomposes and releases carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. After eating plants, animals and humans release the plants’ carbon as either carbon dioxide while breathing or as methane during digestion." Duh!

The study concludes that the measures of carbon releases were compensated by carbon sinks. In other words, what goes out also goes in. And if you graduated from the fifth grade, you learned the miracle of photosynthesis and that our planet deals with carbon quite nicely, thank you very much.

I'm sure the mapping and technology done in this taxpayer funded study was very scientific and important to us. Don't you think so? I mean, how are you going to tax the skin off of Americans if you don't make them pay for the studies to justify it? First you skin them with the study funding, and then you skin them with the carbon taxes on fruits, vegetables, and grains. Right?


The author of the study, some genius named Tristam West, opines: “These calculations substantially improve what we know about the movement of carbon in agriculture,” West said. “Reliable, comprehensive data like this can better inform policies aimed at managing carbon dioxide emissions.” This research was funded by NASA through the North American Carbon Program.

The study was done in coordination with lots of other government agencies. Isn't that nice? And what do you suppose Mr. West means by, "managing carbon dioxide emissions?" ( We eat, therefore we must be punished.)

I guess Mr. West and our agencies have never graduated from the fifth grade....But we did and we don't want to be taxed on our carbon emissions, now do we?? Yes, readers. We are smarter than fifth graders.


Read the whole story at WattsUpWithThat

Wednesday, September 1, 2010

CONTRIVED GUILT OVER CO2 - THE HITS JUST KEEP COMING

A news release came across my desk this morning making my blood boil yet again.  It reads:
ALERT: It looks like the climate bill debate has already been decided by Washington and voters didn't even have a chance to say "NO!" A staggering $65 billion dollars has been transferred from the private sector to fund the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI.) RGGI is government created entity that is choking companies in the northeast with huge tax increases in the name of the environment. Our tax dollars are funding this secret climate initiative. Soon RGGI will expand to every state and stick you with astronomical energy prices.

If blood boiling is contributing to Anthropogenic Global Warming, I'm guilty as charged.  But AGW does not exist and CO2 is a necessary gas for life.  We are a carbon based planet.  It's a good thing.  Yet, once again we are looking at regulations on the false assertion that man-made  CO2 emissions are wrecking the planet. Years of indoctrinating the public into false guilt over a lie created to benefit more government agencies and bureaucrats is a scourge on America's economic health.    

Like most of you, I have never heard of RGGI.  So I went looking.  I don't know how "secret" it is, since it is right here on the web for all to see.  But, the salaries of the board of RGGI are not public information.  The operating expenses are not public information.  It is a major carbon trading organization set up to regulate energy sources and usage in the northeastern and middle Atlantic states.  The revelation for me is that it exists. Did you know this quasi government entity has been set up to regulate energy sources and usage?   

It is set up as a non-profit carbon (CO2) trading auction house.  A board of directors will be deciding how it is run and who gets what money.  Government grants are in play.  Compliance in the 10 Northeastern and middle Atlantic states is MANDATORY, since they are named as "signatories." Who signed them up?  The governors?  The legislatures?  The feds have just handed over 65 billion of our tax dollars to RGGI.  That's billion with a B.

Supposedly this RGGI implementation is a prelude to Cap and Trade legislation.  According to Ameri-pac, the source of the news release, "The only impact RGGI has made so far is they have raised energy prices and created a slush fund for each member state. What exactly that money is being used for is unclear. Each state is capped on their carbon emissions and taxed if they use them up. RGGI added a 0.9% increase in energy prices in New England."

I haven't yet figured out how a non-profit is able to set up MANDATORY regulations.  This non-profit organization has not been voted into existence by the public.  The RGGI site says, "The Signatory States are collectively developing a draft Model Rule to serve as the framework for the creation of necessary statutory and/or regulatory authority to establish the Program."  In other words, states signing onto this non-profit are in the process of creating legislation to comply with this carbon auction house.  

How long before North Carolina is drawn into another regional RGGI?  Did taxpayers in North Carolina vote to hand over their money to RGGI?  Did our representatives in D.C. vote to do this?  The wholesale joke here is supposedly this might allow some kind of avoidance of the Federal Cap and Trade legislation.  The thinking here is that instead of Federal Cap and Trade, the same will be accomplished in regions.  More likely,  RGGI is laying the groundwork for the Federal Cap and Trade legislation.  Either way, compliance is MANDATORY.

From the RGGI site comes this revelation:  "Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe expressed support yesterday for making electric utilities pay fees for releasing carbon dioxide, giving Senate Democrats a critical Republican supporter in their stalled pursuit of climate legislation. Snowe is highlighting the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, a 10-state program capping emissions from 233 power plants from Maine to Maryland, as a "template" that could be adopted at the national level..."

So who do you think is going to ultimately pay those fees for releasing carbon dioxide?  The consumer is.  Not only will the consumer pay taxes to pay the Feds for offsetting grants, and pay for implementation of the mandatory regulations, but will be faced with higher utility bills.  And for what?  A problem that doesn't exist.  A lie.  
Liars who benefit from lies will do anything to justify their motives and support their lies with more lies.  Control freaks will do anything to get power and money.  Setting up endless government bureaucracies, non-profits using government money, hiring endless amounts of more government reliant employees, all of it based on lies and misplaced guilt over something that does not exist.  Nice work if you can get it, comes to mind.

The methods of the left have worked in the past, so they just keep it up.  Mass guilt created over elderly retirements became Social Security.  Mass guilt created over elderly medical needs became Medicare.  Mass guilt created over racial problems became Affirmative Action.  All of those guilt ridden programs were based on collective guilt, not individual responsibilities.  And all of this guilt adds up to a lot of money for socialist programs.  Well, they got away with it before, so they are going to get away with it again.  Mass guilt, in this case based on nonsense, is capitalized on by socialists.  Who says socialists aren't capitalists?  They sure know how to capitalize on lies and creating mass guilt.  It's their stock and trade. 

Tuesday, July 20, 2010

OBAMA IS PART OF ECO-TERRORISM = IT ISN'T YOU, IT'S THEM

Paul Driessen from Climate Depot has written a superb article explaining exactly what you need to know about Climate Change and the United Nations screwing with our ability to procure and maintain energy for our populations. I was inspired to copy the entire article here for you. So many villains, it is hard to name them all. Please read the article below and pass it along to any and all of your friends and family!!

In order to "get it" you have to understand how and why the propagandists have completely ruined the brains of mush of the mass public to get people on board with this insane Climate Change idiocy!
It's all about money and control and power and socialist tyranny. Read on:

Misguided Environmentalists Are Destroying Biodiversity

by Paul Driessen


The Soviet Union's demise helped usher in manmade catastrophic global warming as the new "central organizing principle of civilization." Now, global warming is giving way to a growing recognition that: climate change is primarily natural, cyclical and moderate; China, India and other countries will not sacrifice CO2-generating economic growth to prevent speculative climate crises; and carbon taxes strangle competitiveness, destroy jobs and send families into fuel poverty.

Thus, while not recanting predictions of disastrous climate change, environmental activists and the United Nations are already launching a new campaign. The real threat to the planet, they now assert, is the impact of modern energy technologies and civilization on biodiversity. The case for saving species, they insist, is even "more powerful" than the need to address climate change.

They seek to preserve biodiversity by controlling people's energy use, economic activities and population - through new regulations and taxes under the auspices of the United Nations and global treaties. These efforts, they claim, will generate benefits "worth $4-5 trillion per year" (based on questionable studies and computer models that underscore the intrinsic value of species and biodiversity).

To accept these claims, one would have to ignore the sordid history of Climategate and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - and believe a larger, more powerful United Nations will somehow ensure honesty, transparency, and accountability for misfeasance, misrepresentation, intimidation, and adverse impacts on people and economic growth. One would also have to ignore a growing body of evidence that:

The greatest threats to the world's species are misguided environmental and anti-technology policies.

Among the policies adversely impacting biodiversity are the following.

* Intense opposition to coal, gas, nuclear and hydroelectric plants for generating the electricity that two billion people worldwide so desperately need. Not only does this force people to rely on open fires for heating and cooking - perpetuating poverty, lung disease and premature death. It also destroys mountain gorilla and other wildlife habitats, as people cut trees for fires and charcoal.

China and India are self-financing hundreds of power projects, to avoid conditions placed by wealthy countries on World Bank and other international loans. But poor countries must still rely on such loans - and thus must run gauntlets laid down by regulators and environmental activists who oppose critically needed power plants and the economic growth and middle class living standards the plants generate.

* Steadfast promotion of expensive, unreliable wind and solar power. Wind turbines slice up birds and collapse bat lungs. Turbines and solar arrays would have to cover millions of acres to provide power for cities. They require ultra-long transmission lines and backup gas generators, and consume millions of tons of concrete, steel, copper, fiberglass, polymers and rare earth (lanthanide) minerals - all of which have to extracted from the Earth and processed into finished products, burning fossil fuels and generating mining wastes and air and water pollution.

Con Ed had to generate some 13,500 megawatts to meet New York City's air conditioning and other electricity needs during the recent July heat wave. The 600-turbine Roscoe wind farm blankets 100,000 Texas acres to generate 780 MW at full capacity. That means NYC would need a wind farm 1.6 times the size of Connecticut (5 million acres or 2 million hectares), if the turbines are running at an average 30% of capacity. But during the heat wave, there's barely a breeze.


Now multiply that habitat demand times the world's biggest cities, and calculate the biodiversity impact. No wonder the wind industry wants exemptions from endangered species rules and environmental impact studies that hyper-regulate fossil fuel and nuclear companies. No wonder Senator Diane Feinstein has introduced legislation to prohibit solar panel installations in the super-sunny Mojave Desert.

* Equally passionate advocacy for biofuels, especially ethanol. Every 7 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol requires crops grown on an area the size of Indiana (23 million acres) - and Congress now wants the USA to produce 20 billion gallons of EtOH annually by 2020. In addition to expropriating vast crop land and wildlife habitat, ethanol production requires billions of gallons of water, millions of tons of fertilizer and insecticides, and enormous quantities of natural gas and diesel fuel to power tractors, tanker trucks and conversion plants - to distill a fuel that gets 20% fewer mpg than gasoline.

And yet, President Obama told a Ghanaian audience in July 2009 that malnourished Africa should forego even gas-fired electricity generators in favor of wind, solar and biofuel power. The continent and its arid, nutrient-depleted soils already cannot feed their populations adequately, and the President wants them to divert cropland and wildlife habitats to biofuels. Meanwhile, environmental activists continue to ...

* Oppose biotechnology, genetically engineered crops and even hybrid seeds. These specialized crops survive better during droughts, increase farm family incomes, improve nutrition, and reduce the need for insecticides. They offer the best hope for growing more biofuel crops on less acreage.

The New York Times says we can ill afford "not to make the best use of genetic engineering." If we "allow propaganda to trump science, then the potential for global agriculture to be productive, diverse and sustainable will go unfulfilled." The late Dr. Norman Borlaug warned that forcing the world to rely on organic and traditional farming to feed even current populations would require plowing under nearly every remaining acre of forest and grassland habitat. That's without factoring in biofuels.

And yet, environmentalists and EU bureaucrats threaten African nations with punitive boycotts if they plant biotech crops. Radical greens want Third World farmers to rely on "traditional" seeds and agricultural methods, and oppose the use of seeds that have been "touched by corporations."

* Environmentalists also oppose timber cutting and even tree thinning and mechanized fire suppression on vast acreage of US national forests. Too often the result is fiery conflagrations that incinerate trees, wildlife, soil and streams, causing extensive erosion and long-term habitat loss.

* Topping it off, the Environmental Protection Agency's recent endangerment decision, low-carbon fuel standards, and power plant emission rules will force even greater expansion of wind, solar and biofuel use, further impacting habitats and biodiversity.

It is bad enough that "biodiversity stabilization" is a reprise of past government-environmentalist eco-scares. Like its predecessors, the new program offers horrifying predictions of a dying planet - backed by little more than dubious theories, assumptions, assertions and statistics, fed into fancy computer models that generate ominous scenarios and graphics. It also proposes the same tired "solutions" - more taxes, regulations, and government control over lives, energy development and economic growth.

The far greater problem is that the UN, EPA, "mainstream media" and political establishment are ignoring the real threats to habitats, species and biodiversity: the anti-energy, anti-technology, anti-people agenda of radical green ideology.

We now have an opportunity to make Earth a better place for people and the natural world. We need to reject this agenda, demand sound science and solid evidence that a treat exists, and recognize that modern technology actually offers the best hope for protecting the diversity of species.

Paul Driessen is senior policy advisor for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow which sponsors the All Pain No Gain education campaign and petition against job-killing global warming policies, and the ClimateDepot website for the latest news and views on climate change. He is also a senior policy advisor to the Congress of Racial Equality, and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power - Black death

Monday, July 19, 2010

IT"S FOR THE CHILDREN

Yep, those Brits know all about renewable energy. We should follow their lead and make America just like the European model of Cap and Trade. It's the hip thing to do. Our children will love living like those smart Europeans. Gee, I wonder if Gore's newly acquired 9 mil$ house is going to suffer brownouts and blackouts. I wonder if his children and grandchildren will be downsizing and living in huts with peat fires to keep warm. Do you suppose his children only use compact fluorescent light bulbs? What sort of cars do they drive? I wonder if the Gore fleet of private jets is being sent to the compactor for scrap metals. Yeah, European Socialism....now there is a great way to live. By all means....let's follow the Obams into the abyss. Great idea!!

Remember those old stories from grandparents who said, "I walked five miles in the blinding snow to get to school." Now we will have grandchildren saying they walked miles in the freezing dark to save the planet. They will be asking their parents (that's us), "What was it like when you had air-conditioning in summer and warm houses in winter with beautiful lights to read by??" "What was it like when you got to drive carpools with five other kids in a mini-van to go to school?"
See below!!


News release at Big Government.com

Today’s Daily Express (London) opens with a stark reminder that there are consequences to the foolishness being crammed down on you now — and which will be voted upon in the Senate, we are told, at the end of this month.

BRITAIN faces years of blackouts and soaring electricity bills because of the drive toward green power, a leading energy expert warned last night.

A growing obsession with global warming and “renewable” sources threatens the stability of our supply.

Derek Birkett, a former Grid Control Engineer who has a lifetime’s experience in electricity supply throughout Britain, warned that the cost of the crisis could match that of the recent banking collapse.

And he claimed that renewable energy expectations were now nothing more than “dangerous illusions” which would hit consumers hard in the pocket.


WAKE UP OUT THERE and STOP INDOCTRINATING OUR CHILDREN IN LIES!!

Saturday, June 26, 2010

NO SUCH THING AS CARBON NEUTRAL

Sigh. Think. Exhale CO2. Type. Inhale. Exhale CO2. Type. Type. Exhale CO2. Lights on. Air-conditioning on due to 95 degree heat. Type. Type some more. Exhale CO2. Make a cup of tea, using water, using tea packet packaged in paper, using microwave oven. Think. Computer search pertinent subjects. Make some toast using bread, baked in ovens, wrapped in plastic bag, using electric toaster. Type. Exhale CO2. Type some more. Wipe hands with paper napkin so as to not mess up keyboard with buttery fingers. Inhale. Exhale more CO2. Think. Type some more.

How guilty are you for your nasty despicable carbon habits? You are sooooo bad. Even worse if you are a greedy (and especially American) user of energy. Ooooohhhhh, you are soooooo bad. Exhaling all that CO2. Having toast and tea on a hot summer day in air-conditioned bliss. You can't be worth your salt on the earth if you are using carbon based energy. Of course salt is bad, too, so that can't be worth much. All of your recycling efforts were not enough to satisfy 'their' desires for paradise. The trees you planted didn't get 'them' what 'they' wanted. The hybrid vehicle you bought did not buy you out of your guilt. You will pay for your terrible, most disgusting, evil, indiscretions. You are a plague upon the earth and 'they' will punish you for your evil ways. 'They' know you can't achieve carbon neutrality and still be alive. 'They' have figured you out, you selfish, undeserving, pimple on the planet. You are the cause of all that is bad.

'They,' who are so much smarter than you, have blitzkrieged the country with propaganda to mold your mushy minds and assure submission to their plans for you. 'They' are using the Churches to push their environmental agenda. 'They' have told your children how bad you are. 'They' have made your children believe that human beings are a scourge that must be reined into environmental submission so the Earth can survive. 'They' (Franklin Raines who scammed Fannie out of 90 million dollars while letting the company go broke) bought the patents for carbon tracking devices for your home using your tax dollars through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The President's cronies own the Chicago Carbon Exchange which is set to rake it in with carbon offset trading when cap and tax rules are in place. You know, the environmental shake-down money you will have to pay to use your toaster or heating your house. The same buddies are owners of Shore Bank in Chicago, where 'They' promote micro-lending to Kenyans, who can't pay back the loans, while the bank gets bailed out with your tax dollars.

'They' know who you are and where you live. They' will find you and make you suffer for wrecking their terrestrial utopia. 'They' are planning their revenge against you and you can't stop them. 'They' are taking every piece of land they can get their hands on through eminent domain, lands conservancies, greenways, and walking trails, so you will no longer despoil their Earthly perfection with your home or industry. (The Federal government already owns nearly 30% of all land in America.) If you can't stop yourself from driving your car, cooking in your kitchen, heating and cooling your home, exhaling CO2, then 'They' will charge you fees you can't afford. 'They' have set up unelected local authorities through the EPA who have no accountability to voters and who will decide who uses what resources to 'their' ends. To insure your submission and compliance with 'their' vision of utopia, 'they' will place Smart meters on your home, gps devices in your car, tax you for your non-compliant appliances, take away your incandescent lightbulbs, tax your airline flight, tax your tickets to entertainment venues, tax and cut your water usage, tax your hair-dresser, tax your nail salon, tax your local deli, tax your (exhale CO2) dry cleaner, anything that moves, or doesn't. 'Th(e)y' will be done on earth.


Think. Inhale. Type. Exhale CO2. Sigh.

Hat tips:
Rogers Park Bench
RedState.com

Just for fun, below is a video of how carbon trading works. Unfortunately at the end you will see, these brilliant two young Brits who created the satire in the video evidently still think there is some stupid Global Warming problem, but I hope they will get their minds right on that as well. Aside from this, the video is terrific. Here is their clever website: CheatNeutral.com

Friday, May 14, 2010

CO2 IS NOT A POllUTANT

Before you allow this lie, that CO2 is an environmental pollutant, to go any further in our lives, our classrooms, our society, our government, please watch this video. Copy it and send it to everyone you know. Educate your neighbors and friends and children.

Before you let anyone place a "Smart Meter" on your house.
Before you get sucked into the "Smart Growth" agenda.
Before you do one more thing today...send this to everyone.

Retrieved from a GREAT SITE called WATTSUPWITHTHAT Go there..you will learn a lot!!!